>> everything you spent for the defense ridiculous. >> bill: means tested to the. >> means tested. are you rug suggesting that everybody unpolice department or accept unemployment benefits or food are poverty. >> no i'm not. the federal government runs so inefficiently. wastes so much money or bureaucracy and red tape that they just should funnel it down and then we would have more money to help the people that you and i want to help. >> bureaucracies do a better job; take numbers like this phony numbers pumped up during a recession and apply it to welfare people. it's ridiculous. it's a bogus story. >> bill: i don't believe that. >> you don't believe it. >> bill: a 123 you know that company, right in. >> yeah. >> bill: another stimulus company that went bankrupt. 250 million. created only 400 jobs. this is what i want you to explain to me. big giant stimulus, almost a trillion dollars to get people back to work. federal government puts the money in a variety of different concerns some were successful were, some werethe ot highlighted. 400 jobs. 250 million. do you justify that? >>